State Sovereignty Movement Quietly Growing

You may not have heard much about it, but there’s a quiet movement afoot to reassert state sovereignty and stop the uncontrolled expansion of federal government power. Almost half of the state legislatures are considering or have representatives preparing to introduce resolutions which reassert the principles of the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution and the idea that federal power is strictly limited to specific areas detailed in the Constitution and that all other governmental authority rests with the states.

In the version of this bill being considered in Washington state, they appeal to the authority of James Madison in The Federalist who wrote:

“”The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The powers reserved to the several states will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people.”

The founding fathers believed in a balance between state and federal power. This state sovereignty movement clearly arises from the belief that the balance of power has tilted too far and for too long in the direction of the federal government and that it’s time to restore that lose balance.

The emergence of this movement is a hopeful sign of the people asserting their rights and the rights of the states and finally crying “enough” to runaway government. With the threat of increasingly out of control federal spending, some of these sovereignty bills may stand a fair chance of passage in the coming year.

There’s a lot of excitement about these bills, but there are also a lot of misconceptions, with people claiming that some states have already declared sovereignty and that the movement is much farther along than it really is. Contrary to popular rumor, none of the states has actually enacted a sovereignty law yet. Some have come close. Oklahoma’s bill passed their lower house overwhelmingly but stalled in the Senate last fall and is being held over for consideration in the new year.

Contrary to the fantasies of some extremists, these sovereignty bills are not the first step towards secession or splitting up the union, nor are they an effort to block collection of the income tax, appealing though that might be. For the most part, they are not so much political statements of independence as they are expressions of fiscal authority directed specifically at the growing cost of unfunded mandates being placed upon the states by the federal government. Despite the movement picking up steam as he came to office, the target of these bills is not President Obama, but rather the Democrat-dominated Congress whose plans for massive bailouts and expanded social programs are likely to come at an enormous cost to the states.

It has become increasingly common for Congress to pass legislation which dictates policy to the states, but which comes without adequate federal funding and the expectation that the cost of these programs, which the states had no real say in approving, will come out of state budgets. This has been a long-term problem with Medicaid and Medicare, but the unfunded mandate which stirred up the most ire recently was the No Child Left Behind program. More concern has been raised with the recent reauthorization and expansion of the SCHIP program which has a history of requiring more expenditure than is provided for in the federal budget.

The text of the bill proposed in Arizona makes the clearest statement of the intent to block unfunded mandates:

“That this Resolution serves as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.”

and

“That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.”

What this movement is most similar to is the Nullification Crisis of 1832 where the State of South Carolina asserted that it had the right to nullify the authority of federal laws within its borders. In this case the states are not asserting anything as broad as the Doctrine of Nullification, but are merely reasserting the limits which the 10th Amendment places on federal authority, specifically as it applies to spending, the idea being that they don’t have to pay for federal mandates if their legislators choose not to.

Not all of the bills fall within these limitations. Missouri’s bill actually goes somewhat further and does assert the right fo the state to negate federal law, specifically in reference to the proposed federal Freedom of Choice Act, which some fear would bar states from passing laws regulating abortion. New Hampshire’s bill actually goes so far as to lay out a very strongly worded variant of the Doctrine of Nullifcation which specifies acts by the federal government (many of them currently being proposed in Congress) which would effectively negate the Constitution and the authority of the federal government within their state. Hawaii’s proposed sovereignty bill comes very close to being an actual act of secession, based on native tribal rights.

As things stand right now it looks like Oklahoma, Washington, Hawaii, Missouri, Arizona, New Hampshire, Georgia, California, Michigan and Montana will all definitely consider sovereignty bills this year. They may be joined by Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania where legislators have pledged to introduce similar bills. Twenty states standing up to the federal government and demanding a return to constitutional principles is a great start, but it remains to be seen whether legislatures and governors are brave enough or angry enough to follow through. As the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress push for more expansion of federal power and spending that may help provide the motivation needed for the sovereignty movement to take off.

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38 Comments

  1. It was a rare occurrence… perhaps unique is a better word, as it was the first time in history that a group of people declared themselves to be sovereign, free and independent individuals and decided to cast off the shackles of tyranny and undertake the task of creating a new nation, independent and self governing.
    Thirteen colonies previously subservient to another were transformed by their own declaration thirteen free and independent states… sovereign states.
    Where does this sovereignty originate and how does it relate to the state?
    Sovereignty originates with the individual, each and every individual is a sovereign entity, their life is their own, and they hold supreme power over themselves free from external control or controlling influence. To be sovereign is, in fact, the natural state of man.
    A state is nothing more than a group of sovereign individuals who reside within a given geographic boundary and these individuals comprise the body politic for that given geographic boundary.
    State governments are a creation of these sovereign, free and independent individuals; these governments derive their power from the people and are therefore subordinate to the people, the sovereign, free and independent individuals that granted them their very existence. These State governments hold no right or privilege to negative powers over the sovereignty of the people.
    The sovereign, free and independent individuals that reside within a state are all co-ordinate to one another, equally they are co-ordinate to the individuals that reside in the other states. No one individual is subordinate to another unless by choice. The governments of the several states are, likewise, co-ordinate to each other, no one state government being beholden to another.
    However all state governments are subordinate to the sovereign, free and independent individuals that created them.
    From 1777-1789 these states operated under the instrument given the name the Articles of Confederation. This instrument was nothing more than the document that spelled out the rules under which these sovereign states would interact with one another; an agreement between sovereign states entered into voluntarily by each state, with each state retaining it’s own sovereignty with the balance of power residing within the individual.
    The states continued to operate under the Articles of Confederation for some ten years until it became clear to the states that this instrument was insufficient to continue the prosperity of the union of states.
    It was at this time and because of this realization that the states sent delegates to discuss what should be done. The result of the discussions and the recommendations that resulted from these discussions was a convention to revise the Articles of Confederation in order to preserve the union.
    However, the convention did not result in a revision of the existing instrument, but the creation of a new instrument, the Constitution of the United States of America and the creation of a federal government.
    There were many attempts during the convention to create a “national” government instead of a “federal” government and the distinction between the two is very important to understand because they are as different in contrast as night and day.
    The creation of a “national” government would have essentially removed all state sovereignty and created a supreme central power that held negative powers over the states and the people. Even though this form of government was suggested many times during the convention it was wholly rejected at every attempt.
    The state delegates had no interest in creating a supreme power nor were they given the power to do so. As deputized representatives of their respective states they were only given the power to revise the existing Articles or to take part in a “federal” form of government with all state sovereignty remaining intact.
    A “federal” government is a form of government that is given power by sovereign, free and independent states to act merely as a “hub” for the states
    And it possesses no powers other than those granted to it by the states.
    Our federal government was created with the ratification of the Constitution by the states, with the Constitution being nothing more than the instrument that the states used to create the federal government, establish the rules under which it is to operate, grant it specific powers and limit its powers in all areas other than those specifically granted to it.
    The federal government is in no way a “supreme” power, it possesses only the limited, specific and enumerated powers that were granted to it by the states via the Constitution.
    This fact is spelled out in the Constitution itself and restated in the 9th and 10th amendments that followed with the ratification of the Bill of Rights. As being a creation of sovereign states, the federal government possesses no negative powers over the states or the sovereign individuals that reside in those states respectively. It is, in fact, subordinate to the several state governments just as the state governments are subordinate to the sovereign individuals within their respective geographic and political boundaries. As a creation of the states and in as much as it is subordinate to the states the federal government possesses no right or privilege to expand its powers beyond those which were granted to it at the time of its creation.
    In this respect we are truly a people with a government, NOT a government with a people.
    It is this understanding that sadly seems to escape most of us today. Too many of us feel that the federal government is our supreme master to which we are all subservient. Nothing could be further from the truth and yet we act like it every day, constantly allowing it to reach far beyond the limited, specific and enumerated powers that it actually possesses. And equally as sad is the fact that while we all seem to be dissatisfied with this usurpation of our sovereignty by our subordinate, we choose to do nothing about it other than quietly complain to ourselves as we continue to operate day to day under the tyranny of our own creation. And as so much as I find this to be a sad fact; it does not surprise me in the least.
    It would seem that most of us, as Americans, have little use or desire for the actual and real state of being free, sovereign and independent; we seek not, nor do we yearn for the liberty which is our birthright.
    And while we seem to have no use for these things, we do. Strangely enough, seem like the sound of them. Constantly expounding such phrases as “We are free”… “This is America”… “I have rights”… “That’s unconstitutional”… and so-on… All the while having not the faintest clue what we are talking about, let alone the fact that we, by our own ignorance, are doing much to destroy the very freedoms that we pretend to care about on a daily basis.
    Which brings me to another point ….“American Ignorance”!!!!!!
    I hear people all the time, from individuals on the street, to media personalities, to the very politicians that we trust to operate our republic… talking about “our democracy”… “This great democracy”… blah.. blah… blah.
    And yet no one seems to realize that we do not live in a democracy… we live in a republic! Not once in the Constitution of the United States is the word “democracy” even found!
    The men that drafted the Constitution saw a democracy as one of the worse forms of government ever created.
    WHAT????? HOW CAN THIS BE????
    Well I’ll tell you… a democracy puts all of the power in the hands of the majority.
    It gives a group of people the right and the power to vote away the rights and property of another as long as they comprise 50% + 1 of the voting populace. A democracy is not an exercise in liberty; it is an exercise in mob rule.
    A democracy is just as damaging to individual rights as any totalitarian ruler or regime could be and in most cases probably more so.
    Our republic was founded on the principal that individual liberty is paramount above all other political motivations. That the life, liberty and property of one individual is not subject to the whims, wants and desires of another individual or group of individuals. And even though we haven’t acted like it lately, that principal is still the rule of law and the foundation upon which all of our governmental evolutions have been laid.
    So, you made it this far… congratulations… now what?
    First, don’t take my word for it… READ!!!!!
    Read about the founding of this nation, more importantly, read about the fundamental philosophies upon which this nation was founded.
    Read John Locke, read Thomas Jefferson, read Ayn Rand, read John Taylor of Caroline… there are so many resources out there I couldn’t begin to list them all. Understand that your life belongs to you and you alone and once you understand it, start acting like it.
    Take responsibility for yourself!!!!!!
    Take responsibility to control your subordinates, i.e. your local, state and federal governments. If you don’t like the fact that they are acting outside the rule of law and outside of the limitations that are placed on them by the rule of law the use the rule of law to put them in check!
    The power to change things lies within the sovereignty of the individual and within the rule of law!!!!!!
    The federal government IS subordinate to the states, tell your state representatives to remind the federal government of that fact… have them put the federal government on notice!!!! New Hampshire already has as of February 2009… (Google it… (New Hampshire HRC 6), So has Oklahoma, and over 20 other states have similar legislation under consideration.
    The rule of law is not dead, we have just chosen, by our own laziness, to allow our governments to ignore it.
    It’s not only your liberty that they are stealing, it’s your liberty and the liberty of your children and grandchildren and great grandchildren…
    Fight for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Kevin. What can I say? You said it all, and so eloquently. I am cutting and pasting your post, printing it and sending it to EVERYONE I know. You have given me the foundation under my feet that I knew was there all along. Thank you, thank you and thank you again. These are the words that will save us. God Bless you.

  3. SC filed the Sovereignty Resolution 2-12-09,
    and if the mood of the ladies and gentlmen of my State are any indication, they might aught to pass that thing rather quickly. With recent news, I’m suprised that the Secession talk on our Talk Radion Stations hasn’t moved from the Radio to the Streets.

  4. NC is ready to fight. Bev Purdue will most likely not file for a Sovereignty Resolution; however, the NC Militia is ready to uphold our rights.

  5. I am a resident of Montana, I have been for 14yrs now, after leaving the state of my birth, because I could no longer stand the organized corruption that I watch grow for most of my life, dispite the attempts to prevent it. Because I now see the necessity for it, I am now in the prosess of establishing a Constutional Militia. . . it will be called ‘The Militia Corps of Montana’. We are only in the puilinary stages right now, but hope to be together by spring. . . Watch for us. B.D. Sylvia

  6. THIS 10th AMENDEMENT REVOLT IS NOT ANY AN ATTEMPT TO REMOVE THE STATES FROM THE UNION BUT RATHER AN ATTEMPT BY THE STATES TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PART IN INTERPRETING THE CONSTITUTION. WHEN THE SUPREME COURT MAKES INTERPRETATIONS IT IS DOING SO AS A MEMBER OF THE FEDERAL GOV. AND THUS JUST ADDING TO ITS’ POWER. THE FED HAS TO BE CONTROLLED AND THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE BY THE STATES. PERHAPS THIS WILL TAKE A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION TO GET IT DONE.

  7. A constitutional convention could just as easily make things worse as better. It’s too uncontrolled an environment at this stage in the game. Plus the established political parties would never let it happen unless they controlled it, and if they did control it the results wouldn’t be what we want.

    Dave

  8. Regarding the Articles and the Constitution: Excerpt from my August 6, 2006 Libertarian Enterprise article, available at http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=10.0

    After spending considerable time … reading Lysander Spooner’s 1870 comment that “The Constitution has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it”, followed by Kenneth Royce’s Hologram of Liberty, I concluded that indeed, the Constitution is not broken, it is working as it was intended and that without nullification by secession (thanks to Abraham Lincoln), the Constitution is unenforceable.

    It should be obvious to anyone who cares to look that the Constitution no longer limits U.S. Government actions. Therefore, the (alleged) legal source of the U.S. Government’s authority is defunct, null, void, gone, and what we really have is an “archy” with a bunch of thugs and con-men running around impersonating Government rulers as officers and agents. The people in control of the U.S. Government have no legitimate authority (if indeed they ever did), they cannot be held accountable because they are the enforcers, and therefore the Constitution is unenforceable. I cannot see how a revised, “improved” Constitution can correct that situation. It became apparent to me that the best way to “remove the contradictions” in the Constitution is to follow Jefferson’s advise in the Declaration of Independence— “…whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these [protection of individual rights] ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it”—and to completely abandon (i.e. abolish) the Constitution, to begin again with the Declaration of Independence and to fulfill the promise of “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” found therein by understanding and adopting, on a personal level, L. Neil Smith’s Covenant of Unanimous Consent (see http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=7.0 for a copy of the Covenant, supporting articles and discussions in one place).

    Galt’s Oath and the libertarian Non Aggression Principle (NAP/ZAP) are moral/ethical principles. The Covenant of Unanimous Consent is a political statement of interpersonal relationships based on those moral principles. Unlike the U.S. Constitution–which was created by a committee of Lawyers to replace the (much better) Articles of Confederation, while both Jefferson and Adams were in Europe–L. Neil Smith’s Covenant actually FULFILLS the promise of individual freedom in Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence. The Covenant is simple, rational, personal, easy to understand and even short enough to memorize.

    The Covenant also satisfies the objections noted by Lysander Spooner. Instead of being a document that describes how the government shall act, and a document YOU did not sign, the Covenant is a document that describes how YOU will act and is a document that YOU voluntarily sign, if you agree. Those who do not sign (the “dissenters” mentioned by Ayn Rand above) are not punished, they are simply and clearly warned what to expect if they violate the rights of Signatories. It is indeed the political foundation, the “legal framework needed to establish and maintain a free society open to all, including dissenters” as was suggested by Ayn Rand. Recently Hans-Hermann Hoppe addressed this same issue in his essay The Idea of a Private Law Society at http://www.mises.org/story/2265 and does an excellent job of showing how such a society could and would function. It is remarkably similar (without giving credit) to that described by L. Neil Smith in The Probability Broach.

    (If you study these same items and reflect on the “no rulers” nature of Galt’s Gulch, you may come to a similar conclusion.)

  9. I see that someone is aware of the danger of a Constitutional Convention. Yes, it could do as much damage as help, but what we are facing is a complete take over by the Federal Government. They will never pay attention to our Resolutions, since they couldn’t care less what we say, think, or do. The only way to get their attention is, not on the State level, but on a Citizen level. We need to organise in each State and raise cain. We need to Start demanding that our States take action, over and above resolutions. We will either threaten secession, and be willing to back it up, or we will lose the Nation anyway. At this stage of the game, we have no choice. Only question is, how many out there are willing to stand by their convictions. Who has the sand? I am. And am starting just such a movement in SC on a local level. Any takers?

  10. You’re not alone, Tracy. People all over the country feel the same way and a real movement is starting. I’ll do what I can to chronicle it here.

    Dave

  11. When state governments fight with the federal government, sometimes it is the people who are the losers.

    Oklahoma’s “sovereignty” resolution is packaged as a measure that opposes unnecessary meddling by the federal government. But, it is actually a clever power grab by Oklahoma’s State Government.

    To understand this, please consider that there
    are two types of rights or powers that are recognized in our national constitution. When we’re talking about the rights or powers of “the people,” our nation’s founders were very clear in stating these two cases: (1) Powers that are enumerated; and (2) Powers that are unenumerated.

    The 10th Amendment preserves the powers of the people by stating that, “The powers not delegated to the United States [federal government]… are reserved to the States… or to the people.”

    In this wisely written clause, neither the State nor the Federal government claims all powers. It is implicitly recognized that “the people” share the power in our system of governance.

    In Oklahoma’s sovereignty resolution, however, the people have been left out of the equation.

    Oklahoma’s resolution — which, thankfully, hasn’t yet been approved by our State Senate — says this:

    “…The State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over *all* powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States. ” (Emphasis added).

    This resolution appears to be the product of an authoritarian type of political philosophy. It is packaged as a resolution that opposes federal meddling in state affairs. But, in reality, the resolution does little to re-define the relationship between the federal government and our state government here in Oklahoma.

    Rather, the main effect of the resolution is to change the balance of power between the State government and the people of Oklahoma. The resolution boldly and unapologetically proclaims that ALL unenumerated powers belong to the State.

    It is an audacious grab for power. It spits on the people’s claim to the unenumerated powers that are mentioned in Article X of the U.S. Constitution. Followed to its logical conclusion, it would circumvent future social progress — by denying that the people possess any powers except those that are explicitly laid out in our nation’s founding document.

    When elephants wrestle, the grassroots get trampled. That’s the situation we’ve got in Oklahoma with the State government proposing to fight the federal elephant. The people’s rights are fixin’ to get tromped.

  12. Remember the old saying “I’ve got some good news, and some bad news”?
    The Good news is that the good Citizens of South Carolina are still willing to back up our beliefs, and stand for whats right. They are serious about telling the Federal Government to go to HxXX, and to kiss our Axx on the way.
    Now for the bad news…The good Citizens of South Carolina are still willing….well, you get the idea. The Situation here is ominus to say the least. Every time the “President” opens his mouth, either on TV, the Radio, or in Print, guns sails go through the roof, as does the sales of amnunition. Can anyone guess what that means?
    As the late great Queen of England once said…”We are NOT amused.”
    The support for the President has virtually evaporated here. Those who did support him thought he supported what they believed. Finding out has made them very mad. There are Conservative Meetings, “Tea Parties”, Political Meetings, and a lot of talk on News Radio. All of it bad for Obama.
    People here are looking at the Stock Market, listening to the News on the Radio (The big three on TV are virtually ignored here…no more credibility), and they are not liking what they are hearing.
    To be honest, I’m rather concerned about the number of firearms being sold here. If the Feds try to mess with guns or ammo, that might be the last shot over our bow that the people will take.

  13. Update in SC:
    COLUMBIA — South Carolina lawmakers have advanced a measure asserting state sovereignty, saying they want to send President Obama and Congress a message.

    The resolution declares the Palmetto State has the right to ignore any federal law or policies it deems unconstitutional. Similar resolutions are being considered across the country.

    A Senate panel approved it today. The House has already passed a similar measure…

  14. Bill, I understand your concern about the wording, but I am positive that what you describe is not at all the intent of the Oklahoma resolution or the other similar ones.

    Dave

  15. Remember, it IS asserting the supremacy of the 10th Amendment and the 10th Amendment DOES reserve rights for the people, not just the states.

    Dave

  16. Dave, thanks for your reply. I continue to be concerned about the effect of this “sovereignty” resolution. The language of the Oklahoma resolution is similar to some other measures being proposed in other states.

    The resolution explicitly asserts that the state claims ALL powers under the 10th Amendment (except those delegated to the federal government). Why does the resolution fail to defend the powers that are held by “the people?” It appears to be a deliberate omission.

    In effect, the resolution claims to disempower “the people.” Why would anyone support that?

  17. So disappointed, but not surprised, that Illinois isn’t on the list of states here. I can’t wait to leave this state, it’s politically an embarassment.

  18. lets get rid of what dosent work well and start from there we need to remeber 3 key words

    ” WE THE PEOPLE “

  19. One of the reasons Texas hasn’t filed a sovereignty resolution bill is because we don’t need to. Texas is the only state that refused to give up their right to sovereignty when it joined the Union. Hawaii is also an exception but that is because they were a territory and became a state without the need for signing “treaty” agreements.

  20. ‘ We have staked the whole of all our political
    We could divide the country in half. Left on one side and Right on the other. The only problem is somebody would have to work on the Left side to pay all those taxes??

    institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.’
    James Madison – 4th US President and Father of the Constitution!

  21. We could divide the country in half. Left on one side and Right on the other. The only problem is somebody would have to work on the Left side to pay all those taxes??

    ‘ We have staked the whole of all our political
    institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.’
    James Madison – 4th US President and Father of the Constitution!

  22. Right about Texas, Karen. But it’s not the only state. Hawaii, Alaska, Vermont and Rhode Island all have reasonable claims to retaining sovereignty.

    Dave

  23. Remember where the Fed gets its money… the states. All of this worries me, anyone with a brain cell understands at any moment to include strong economic times, democracy hangs on by a thread. Every country fails at sometime or another, and evey civilization has civil war(s) (plural). It would be very dumb for us, US citizens, to ever think we are immune. I understand that their is a larger populace in states like CA and NY, but they are in a weak position with deep deficits. States like TX, that are in GRAND condition compared to CA and NY do have an advantage to flex their muscle if they so choose. If the fed were to make a mistake and push back, that can potentially lead to deep anger with like minded states, and be in itself the motivation that leads a sound separatist movement. The US being in a compromised positon, we already see countries like Russia and China flexing, as can a very strong state in the union. I would advise the Fed govt. to tread wisely, because in my opinion, a state like TX can survive on its own and co-exist with the US as a neighbor in harmony, but if TX goes, it will take about 20 states with her. Twenty states that are not in bad shape, compared to CA and NY, this would bankrupt the US, as she relies on such states tax revenues. Remember, the US is not on the gold standard, and such an event would lower the US’s AAA rating with the world i.e. all countries pulling all their money out over night. Also please understand, because of the difference in political ideology, most of the U.S. nuclear innovations are in republican states because liberal states said no to nukes… and, please correct me if my figure is wrong, but last I checked, 60 percent of the volunteer military in the US are from southern states… that weird southern pride thing leads me to believe that they will not “turn” on their home states, and a huge number of military bases, weapons cache, etc are housed in southern states, oh yea, Fort Knox is in KY too. Last but not least, where are the majority of the US’s oil refined… southern states, and where is the US’s national oil reserve…southern states. Please don’t blast me, and I am sure I misspelled a word or two, I am just looking at this situation objectively, and the way I see it, because of political ideology, the southern states are not in the weak position it was in when it engaged in the civil war, and if the crapp hit the fan, I doubt they will just hand everything I just mentioned over to the US without HUGE concessions. Seeing the US would be broke, the UN may have to step in.

  24. OK, let me speak from a not so objective standpoint. I understand that, according to conventional wisdom, the current laws will support both Tx and Hawaii, and a few other with a strong claim to the right to seceed. WRONG.
    The US Constitution states that the Federal Government is required to see that the States have a REPUBLICAN form of government. That means Elected, and Representative. At the end of the “Civil War”, the North stepped in and APPOINTED representatives in the Confederate States. They then, on threat of force, forced those states to pass laws, and adopt State Constitutional Amendments that gave away their right to seceed. ON WHAT PLANET WOULD THAT HOLD UP IN A COURT?
    Answer…none.
    Every single law passed in the Confederate States by any “Legislature” appointed by the Federal Government and not elected by the people is ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
    Now, as for the United Nations stepping ANYWHERE…you want to she the spit hit the propeller blades? That would do it. I state for the record: I am a proud American. I believe in the United States Constitution, and the American Nation…BUT, I will not stand for the sinking Ship of State pulling South Carolina down with it. President Obama has made a drastic error in his thinking. He is PRESIDENT of the United States, not King. The movement is growing here in SC, and unless the President REVERSES his policies, his course, and his attitude, there will be secession here. If I sound emotional, I admitt, I am. I have a College Education, and am not ignorant of where his policies will take us, even if the other members of the Federal Government are. And yes, I do hold firmly to my Bible and my Gun. He can have either one or both any time he wants them…from my Cold Dead Hands.

  25. . At the end of the “Civil War”, the North stepped in and APPOINTED representatives in the Confederate States. They then, on threat of force, forced those states to pass laws, and adopt State Constitutional Amendments that gave away their right to seceed.

    This is not exactly true. The confederate states were briefly under military rule. Then they did get to elect representatives, but anyone who had served in the confederate military or government service was barred from voting for 10 years, so the result was that a lot of African Americans and recent arrivals (carpetbaggers) from the north ended up getting elected.

    States were not generally forced to give up the right to secession they did it voluntarily under governments dominated by radical republicans during that 10 year period after the war. North Carolina, however, WAS forced to ratify the constitution which it had not done.

    Dave

  26. This is all well and good, expect that this state sovereignty is unnecessary, and another one of those “shut up” moves by the state legislatures rather than doing what they need to do in order to curtail the federal government and act as “representatives” of the people rather than “agents” of the feds. In Article IV, Section 4 it already asserts the “sovereignty” of the states by “guaranteeing to each state a Republican form of government,” and the Tenth Amendment already reinforces that any and all powers not given to the federal government rest with the states and the people.

    This is redundancy, and will serve no purpose unless and until the states actually start suing the federal government for “lack of performance” when they don’t provide the revenue or resources for the enumerated powers, or start filing “injunctions” when they overstep their powers and start forcing the state’s and people to cowtow to their unconstitutional edicts.

    This is nothing more than a move in “word” that will not be enforced by “deed,” unless more energy is put into confronting the state legislators also on the “negligence” in doing their proscribed functions when the feds are either out of line, or themselves negligent in their duties.

    Nothing more than more bureaucracy and looking like they are doing something, when actually doing nothing at all.

  27. Actually, I’d love to adopt, if my wife’s health would allow for it. However, there is an alternative: There is a March on DC being planned for July 4th. I will be there. I’ll have a coin changer on my belt, and a Gray Confederate cap on. (I’m a Taxi Driver, so expect anything) Also, I’m more conservative than Rush Limbaugh.
    The problem is that the President thinks he is a King. He’s had 18 Executive orders in the first 3 months of his term, Anyone know how many Bush had by this time? I don’t. But what he’s doing is forcing the American to choose between three choices; either Socialism/ Communism, A revolution, or another Civil War. Guess which I pull fore…(hint, it’s not the first one.) The damage is done. With the debt we’re in now because of Obama, we’ll be lucky if the Dollar doesn’t collapse into NEGATIVE integers. Monopoly Money will be more valuable than the Dallor. The paper that a 10 dollar bill is printed on will be worth more than the 10.

  28. If I am not mistaken the president was created to be used as a puppet of the government. He was only granted a real power when Andrew Jackson got to veto Acts of congress
    If I am wrong you can BLAME the GOVERNMENT who funds the schools in Texas

  29. 33 STATES HAVE DECLARED OR HAVE PROPOSED DECLARING SOVEREIGNTY UNDER THE 9TH , 10TH AND 2ND AMENDMENTS….OBAMA AND HIS WALL STREET THUGS HAVE BILLS UP FOR THE VOTE THAT TAKE AWAY OUR BASIC FREEDOMS…BILL 793, AND 794 GIVE HIM THE POWER TO SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET ….TO CONTROL DISSENT ..IT SAYS THEY WILL BLACK IT OUT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMMUNICATING NEGATIVES AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT..ANOTHER BILL TELLING AMMUNITIONS MANUFACTURERS THAT THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO MAKE AMMO FOR THE MILITARY IS PENDING..NO MORE AMMO FOR PUBLIC PURCHASE..THE LIST GOES ON AND ON….THE THINGS THEY ARE DOING ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL….HE HAS DONE MORE DAMAGE TO THIS NATION IN 70 DAYS …THE TAIL IS NOW WAGGING THE DOG……..WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND …GIVE ME LIBERTY

  30. You people are nothing more than a bunch of America hating traitors. If you hate this country so much, move to another country. There are plenty to choose from and the rest of us will be better off without you, and you can find a country you like.

    Most of us love our country, do not want to live in another country, and do not believe we would be as free or have anywhere near the rights we do in a country set up by you. That would be nothing more than a right wing dictatorship.

  31. From what I have observed, much of this movement gathered alot of momentum when Obama with disarming Americans. This signal should have been picked up by the majority of people when Obama remarked that “country folks in times of desperation clinged to guns and religion”.

  32. IT’S TIME, AMERICA !!!!!!!

    OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE CALLED “REBELS”, “RADICALS”, “TREASONOUS”, ETC ETC ETC.
    FACT IS, THEY WERE FED UP WITH TYRANNY—UNDER ANY NAME; UNDER A-N-Y PRETEXT.
    IF THEY WERE LIVING TODAY, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HEARING THEIR VOICES AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS LAST CENTURY, WHEN THE AMERICAN PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT BEGAN (WITH TEDDY ROOSEVELT)……
    THE LONGER WE DO NOTHING & REMAIN SILENT IN FEAR—INSTEAD OF SPEAKING OUT WITH WISDOM & COURAGE—-THE MORE COSTLY WILL BE THE INEVITABLE BATTLE TO RETAIN OUR UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE WILL ON THE SIDE OF FREEDOM.

    THERE’S A SAYING: “THO IT INCREASE OUR SUFFERING FOR THE MOMENT, IT WILL SHORTEN OR TIME OF SLAVERY.”

    —-WE A-R-E IN BONDAGE TO OUR DESPOTIC FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S TASK MASTERS WHO HAVE RIPPED THE REINS OF CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNANCE FROM OUR VERY HANDS, WHILE STOMPING OUR FACE WITH THEIR HOBNAIL BOOTS OF TYRANNY……

    MUST OUR CHILDREN BE TAKEN FROM US?—-CHILD “PROTECTIVE ‘SERVICES’ ” ALREADY DOES THIS;

    MUST OUR INCOME BE COMSUMED BY EXCESSIVE TAXATION?—THE IRS ALREADY DOES THIS;

    MUST OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH BE DENIED?—THE PROPOSED CENSORSHIP DOCTRINE ALREADY THREATENS THIS;

    MUST OUR RIGHT TO FREELY TRAVER IN THIS REPUBLIC BECOME MONITORED?— MILITARY CHECKPOINTS ACROSS THE NATION ARE ALREADY BEING EXPERIENCED….;

    MUST OUR AMMUNITION & WEAPONS BE RIPPED FROM OUR HANDS?—THIS IS THE PROMISE PROCLAIMED BY OUR SLAVEMASTERS IN CONGRESS;

    MUST WE SURRENDER OUR BLOOD-BOUGHT REPUBLIC’S CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS OF THE LAND TO THE OUTRAGEOUSLY CORRUPT U.N.’S DESPOTIC GLOBAL TREATIES?—-THIS ADMINISTRATION’S CONGRESS & ‘PRESIDENT’ INTEND TO DO PRECISELY THIS: ACTING AS “ANGELS OF LIGHT” WHILST PAVING A HIGHWAY TO HELL WITH A CONTINOUS STREAM OF GLIB LIES, & THE DELIBERATE INTENION OF MESERIZING INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY….

    DECEPTION ALWAYS MASQUERADES AS TRUTH, BUT IS STRIPPED OF ITS PRETENSE WHEN CONFRONTED WITH TRUTH.
    MAN IS CREATED WITH AN INNATE DESIRE FOR FREEDOM. EVEN LUCIFER WAS NOT DENIED HIS FREEWILL OPTION TO REBEL AGAINST A JUST GOD—HOW MUCH MORE SO ARE WE ENTITLED BY OUR CREATOR HIMSELF TO THROW OFF THE SHACKLES FORGED & STILL BEING FORGED BY THOSE WHO PRETEND TO GOVERN FOR OUR GOOD?
    THE HOUR IS LATE……& DARKNESS IS SOON UPON US.

  33. IT’S TIME, AMERICA !!!!!!!

    OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE CALLED “REBELS”, “RADICALS”, “TREASONOUS”, ETC ETC ETC.
    FACT IS, THEY WERE FED UP WITH TYRANNY—UNDER ANY NAME; UNDER A-N-Y PRETEXT.
    IF THEY WERE LIVING TODAY, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HEARING THEIR VOICES AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS LAST CENTURY, WHEN THE AMERICAN PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT BEGAN (WITH TEDDY ROOSEVELT)……
    THE LONGER WE DO NOTHING & REMAIN SILENT IN FEAR—INSTEAD OF SPEAKING OUT WITH WISDOM & COURAGE—-THE MORE COSTLY WILL BE THE INEVITABLE BATTLE TO RETAIN OUR UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE WILL ON THE SIDE OF FREEDOM.

    THERE’S A SAYING: “THO IT INCREASE OUR SUFFERING FOR THE MOMENT, IT WILL SHORTEN OR TIME OF SLAVERY.”

    —-WE A-R-E IN BONDAGE TO OUR DESPOTIC FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S TASK MASTERS WHO HAVE RIPPED THE REINS OF CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNANCE FROM OUR VERY HANDS, WHILE STOMPING OUR FACE WITH THEIR HOBNAIL BOOTS OF TYRANNY……

    MUST OUR CHILDREN BE TAKEN FROM US?—-CHILD “PROTECTIVE ‘SERVICES’ ” ALREADY DOES THIS;

    MUST OUR INCOME BE COMSUMED BY EXCESSIVE TAXATION?—THE IRS ALREADY DOES THIS;

    MUST OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH BE DENIED?—THE PROPOSED CENSORSHIP DOCTRINE ALREADY THREATENS THIS;

    MUST OUR RIGHT TO FREELY TRAVEL IN THIS REPUBLIC BECOME MONITORED?— MILITARY CHECKPOINTS ACROSS THE NATION ARE ALREADY BEING EXPERIENCED….;

    MUST OUR AMMUNITION & WEAPONS BE RIPPED FROM OUR HANDS?—THIS IS THE PROMISE PROCLAIMED BY OUR SLAVEMASTERS IN CONGRESS;

    MUST WE SURRENDER OUR BLOOD-BOUGHT REPUBLIC’S CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS OF THE LAND TO THE OUTRAGEOUSLY CORRUPT U.N.’S DESPOTIC GLOBAL TREATIES?—-THIS ADMINISTRATION’S CONGRESS & ‘PRESIDENT’ INTEND TO DO PRECISELY THIS: ACTING AS “ANGELS OF LIGHT” WHILST PAVING A HIGHWAY TO HELL WITH A CONTINOUS STREAM OF GLIB LIES, & THE DELIBERATE INTENION OF MESERIZING INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY….

    DECEPTION ALWAYS MASQUERADES AS TRUTH, BUT IS STRIPPED OF ITS PRETENSE WHEN CONFRONTED WITH TRUTH.
    MAN IS CREATED WITH AN INNATE DESIRE FOR FREEDOM. EVEN LUCIFER WAS NOT DENIED HIS FREEWILL OPTION TO REBEL AGAINST A JUST GOD—HOW MUCH MORE SO ARE WE ENTITLED BY OUR CREATOR HIMSELF TO THROW OFF THE SHACKLES FORGED & STILL BEING FORGED BY THOSE WHO PRETEND TO GOVERN FOR OUR GOOD?
    THE HOUR IS LATE……& DARKNESS IS SOON UPON US.

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